{Raymond [continued]}[8th October 1988]

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B. ‘If I were to investigate the “descent”,* I should assume that it was by now very widely disseminated. I should start in the dynasties of of the three Counties surrounding Septimania:** Barcelona, Toulouse and Provence, on the assumption out of [sic] common practice that they must have intermarried with Septimania. Each of these Countships carried the name Raymond through generations: a name not common elsewhere. (In Barcelona, from which Provence’s later line and name*** derived, it was Ramon Berenguer:**** cf. (in the book’s Razés tables) ‘Bera’, and of course Thierry (King of Septimania). English ‘Ray’ is given as derive from O[ld] F[rench] ‘King of’;# although English ‘Raymond’ is given as ‘’might/counsel protector’,#* to Mediaeval French[-speakers] it would surely have sounded like ‘World King’

‘In 1162-96 the line of Barcelona merged with Aragon and dropped the name. The line of Toulouse died out in 1249/1271.#** The daughters of Raymond Berengar IV of Provence married as follows (he had no sons):

Margaret#*** =1234= {‘Saint’} Louis IX King of France{, 1214-26-70}

Eleanor =1236= Henry III King of England {1223-1291}

Sanchia =1236?= Richard Earl of Cornwall,#**** King of the Romans, (and Henry III’s only brother).

Beatrice## =1246= Charles of Anjou (son of Louis VIII [King] of France and brother of Louis IX [King of France], King of Naples and Sicily.

I should add that the Count of Provence did not have (so far as I know) particularly distinguished immediate ancestry: not the sort that Kings were accustomed to marry into, at any rate; and his County was of moderate size. What dowry##* did he give to the Kings of France, England and the Romans?##** He could hardly have done better.

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‘C. Descent from Jesus is not necessary: one of his family, such as James the brother of Jesus, head of the Jewish Christians in Jerusalem, would have been quite sufficient.’ <890521>##***

*[From Jesus (or his siblings): see last previous entry]

**(later known as Gothia)

***[ie the name Raymond, presumably]

****Is ‘guer’ = ‘pher’, eg in Christopher?

(ie ‘bearer’ <890521>)

{cf ‘Bera’ I & II, III, IV, V & VI, Counts of Razés, (cC6th-975)}

#Penguin Dictionary of Surnames

#*[ibid, presumably]

#**The heiress married Alphonse {of Poitiers}, brother of Louis IX, King of France.

#***{Per E[nyclopedia] B[ritannica] 7: Louis IX[:] this marriage was arranged by Blanche of Castile, widow of Louis VIII [King of France], mother (& Regent) of Louis IX [King of France], & first cousin (from Eleanor of Aquitaine & Henry II [King of England]) to Henry III [King of England]↑ & [his only brother] Richard [Earl of Cornwall, King of the Romans]↑.}

#****(Candidate for the Holy Roman Emperorship and said to be the richest magnate in England)

##(the youngest, & Countess; died in 1267)

##*[Possibly a strategic territory desired by the Kings of both France & England?]

##**[& Naples-Sicily – see last previous entry]

According to the same authors’ [Baigent, Leigh & Lincoln] ‘The Messianic Legacy’ (London, 1986) p214[,] one of the documents at Rennes-le-Chateau was said to be ‘a genealogy dated 1244 bearing the seal of Queen Blanche of Castile, mother of King Louis IX [of France], which confirms the survival of the Merovingian bloodline.’ The others concerned the family d’Hautpool, 1244-1644, &1695; some or all of them were claimed to have been tampered with. <891014>

1244: cf marriage dates, p [[Redbook6:4][19881008:1400c]{Raymond [continued]}[8th October 1988] (last previous entry], 4 <891015>

The {eldest} son and heir of Henry III [King] of England & Eleanor of Provence was named Edward, ‘Treasure-guard’, a name not used for a King of England since Edward the Confessor/Saint, the original Patron Saint of England. However, Edward II was Edward I’s 4^th son; but Edward III was eldest son of Edward II, and it was [Edward] III’s descendants who contested the Wars of the Roses. Some genealogical investigation is required: how strongly did they try to preserve this line? <901123> {– not very.}

A major early bone of contention between Henry III [King of England] and his barons was the influence of his wife [Eleanor of Provence]’s relatives at Court. <901123>

##***(See [[Redbook6:6][19881013:2002]{Raymond [continued (5)]}[13th October 1988],] p6) →

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